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    The Best Entry-Level Pipers

    Longtime Piper pilot and Piper twin owner Kristin Winter discusses the cream of the crop in entry-level Piper aircraft. (Photo: James Lawrence)

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    Short Wing Pipers

    Out of a poor economy came a series of aircraft that were better than expected. (Photo: Peter Lubig)

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    The Piper Navajo

    After initially feeling intimidated by the size of the Navajo, contributing editor Kristin Winter found that it really one of the easiest and most gentle aircraft she had flown. (Photo: Paul Bowen)

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    - Kevin Garrison

  • "It costs fuel to carry fuel in any airplane..."

    -Thomas Block

  • "All of the PA-28-180/181 aircraft are great airplanes."

    - Kristin Winter

  •   "My happy place is metal and T-shaped and smells like 100 octane"

    - Kevin Garrison


Hello. I am about to purchase a 1981 Seneca III pending a favorable pre-buy inspection. The aircraft is FIKI equipped with radar. Unfortunately, I live in the west where I typically fly IFR with MEA's over FL 130 and the aircraft is not equipped with oxygen. The aircraft is currently owned by a part 135 service that has owned the aircraft since 1985. I have a close friend that actually flew that plane for almost 25 years so I am very comfortable with the history.
I routinely fly in the mid teens or higher so oxygen is really important. I have three little girls who will accompany my wife and I on many of these trips so a portable system seems very inefficient and costly. I have searched for retrofit oxygen systems and have only seen one example of a B55 pilot who purchased a salvaged system from ASOD in Dallas and somehow got field approval (I hope) to install it in his B55. Does anyone know of a reasonable (and legal) way to retrofit built in oxygen in a Seneca III?
Thank you so much for your input.



STEVE ELLS replied to the topic 'Navajo Gear Swing' in the forum. 2 days ago

Smart move. Your pictures show an exceptionally clean airplane, if the wheel wells are any indication. From what I've heard the Navajo is one sweet flying airplane. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for posting these pictures.


created a new topic ' Navajo Gear Swing' in the forum. 4 days ago

Getting the old bird ready to fly after an extended refurb...
Replaced all hydraulic hoses, original hoses dated jan 1971, not very compliant.
Just fun to watch the gear swing.