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    The Best Entry-Level Pipers

    Longtime Piper pilot and Piper twin owner Kristin Winter discusses the cream of the crop in entry-level Piper aircraft. (Photo: James Lawrence)

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    Short Wing Pipers

    Out of a poor economy came a series of aircraft that were better than expected. (Photo: Peter Lubig)

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    The Piper Navajo

    After initially feeling intimidated by the size of the Navajo, contributing editor Kristin Winter found that it really one of the easiest and most gentle aircraft she had flown. (Photo: Paul Bowen)

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  • "...nothing can replace the skill and confidence you get using spare training time to do weird things."

    - Kevin Garrison

  • "It costs fuel to carry fuel in any airplane..."

    -Thomas Block

  • "All of the PA-28-180/181 aircraft are great airplanes."

    - Kristin Winter

  •   "My happy place is metal and T-shaped and smells like 100 octane"

    - Kevin Garrison


STEVE ELLS replied to the topic 'Brake Fluid' in the forum. 2 days ago

It does appear to be an improvement over Mil-H-5606, which is the fluid that has been specced in light airplane brake and hydraulic systems since the beginning of time.
It looks like it's better due to non gumming qualities. I am not too worried about the increased temperature margins since I doubt there's ever any application in a Piper or Cessna that gets anywhere near 400 deg. F. The only caveat is problems at very low (-40 F) tempuratures.
The only hint that it's approved is from the Shell handbook, which I copied and pasted below. If you and your mechanic accept this as approval,then I would only use it after I had purged the old fluid out of your systems.
This is from the Shell Handbook on hydraulic fluids:
"All physical properties of MIL-H-83282 (now MIL-PRF-83282) were equivalent to or superior to those of MIL-H-5606 (now MIL-PRF-5606) except for low temperature viscosity. In particular all fire resistant properties of MIL-PRF-83282 are superior to those of MIL-PRF-5606"
I can foresee one problem. Even though the two fluids are supposed to be compatible, the old (5606) fluid is almost universal in maintenance shops, so if the fluid level ever needs topping and you don't have a container of the 83282 in the airplane and instructions to use it, 5606 may be added.

Happy Flying


created a new topic ' Brake Fluid' in the forum. 2 days ago

Does anyone have experience using MIL-PRF-83282 in their piper? From what I can see it is supposed to be fully compatible as a replacement for and to be mixed with MIL-PRF-5606 but has lower flammability. My plan is to try it unless someone says it ruined all of their o-rings or some other unintended consequence. thanks,




So I'm a new owner of an 1971 Cherokee 6. She's been well taken care of over the years and the prior owner added the front shoulder harness kit from Alpha Aviation a couple of years ago. However, as I think folks know, there is no STC approved shoulder harness kit for the PA-32 series of aircraft other than for the front seat.

The other day I stumbled across Service Bulletin 896 Shoulder Harness Installation & Usage , that indicated Piper once had a kit for the center and aft to have a shoulder harness. Kit 765-385 for my particular plane. A search on the internet for that particular kit yields no hits. Does anybody know where to find this kit still? My gut says something must be matter if folks like Alpha won't try to get an STC for the middle and rear seats and this particular kit is nowhere to be found.