That’s too bad Airframe Components couldn’t help. They reskinned my Warrior ailerons and did a beautiful job, even the paint.
Check with Tennessee Aircraft in Jackson. Paul New, the guy in charge there may be able to help you and/or point you in the right direction.
Starter wire was the trigger for this whole upgrade! Left starter wire going in.
Digital gauges means lots of wires!
No project can be run without the proper fuel... in this case Dunkin coffee!
The Apache sign was a fun gift for Christmas from my family!
Unfortunately we had to take a huge amount of time "off" due to life events intervening. However, the work on the Apache has begun again and we got a good start today. The left starter cable has been pulled and is connected to the starter. We are working on the other wiring harnesses to install the new manifold pressure gauges, tachometers, GEM and more. The Apache is going digital! The circuit breaker panel / starter panel is being redesigned. We will install new tracks for the pilots seat. New digital OAT probe for OAT/TAS/Wind readout on the G5. Oh, and shoulder harnesses and new wing/nacelle fairings. We figure that should keep us busy for a while!
I am in the same boat but looking at the PA32 T and is between Nashville and Memphis. Anyone know anyone out that way or if IA will travel? TN is a long state and will eat up hours on travel.
I spoke with Airframe Components and they've had issues in the past w/ the Saratoga ailerons and no longer work on them or keep stock on hand. Very nice folks.
Still checking with the other folks.
I suggest you find the wiring diagram for your audio panel, and follow the wires from the appropriate spk output pins on it--see where they go.
Rooting around in under panel wiring is a pains taking task and can be frustrating.
It sounds like at some time in the past the speaker wires were cut. Often some corners, such as removing old wiring are cut by installers.
Does your speaker work now?
I don't recall seeing cabin speakers with transformers but most of my hands-on experience is on Cessnas, so I don't know if that's a common Piper scheme.
Sorry again for the nebulous answer--
From what I understand, the seat track width is standard across many single engine Piper airplanes.
Therefore the seats from the 66 Cherokee 6 should work in a 73 Cherokee 180.
But to make sure, I would ask the seller to provide a measurement between the inner and outer gear legs.
In my opinion, replacing the seats with the Cherokee 6 seats is a minor modification which would only require a log book entry.
I have seen many reports of broken brackets, stop bolt flanges and deformation of Piper seat backs. It's likely that a mechanic will be able to spot the problem with your seat back and either repair it or take it to a local welder for the repair.
Let me know what you decide.
I copied the following out of Vref;
Here's the baseline for a Vref evaluation:
"Dual digital Nav/Comm, 2-Axis Autopilot, GS, ADF, DME. Base Price Includes the following: Aircraft is compliant with ADS-B Out, AD's and SB's complied with, No Damage History, complete records and logbooks since new with Mid-Life engines and mid-time maintenance unless otherwise noted. Aircraft Base Price assumes aircraft Paint and Interior Condition are Good unless otherwise noted. Please refer to the FAQ for paint and interior definitions."
Given this equipment and the avg AF time of 5874 hours and 1000 hrs engine TSMOH the baseline evaluation is $115000. Factor in the AFTT and the Engine time gets a valuation of $97875.
Now, this valuation probably does not reflect current asking prices.
I would be very picky with this airplane. I would need a very savvy Piper mechanic to go through the airframe with a fine tooth comb. A "pre-purchase" would not do the trick. I would be willing to pay for a full annual to make sure I wasn't getting stuck with any hidden damage or corrosion problems. I would not give credence to any verbal assurance that it's OK.
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This advice is very general; if you have more specific advice, please let me know.
Good Morning John;
I have found a shop and a mechanic that is in the SLC area and has indicated it can take care of everything for you.
The plan is to get a ferry permit and take your airplane to their facility to fix the wing, do the annual and make sure your engine is set up correctly.
Please contact Jeff Nicholls at Alta Avionics ( and/or 801-550-5676).
Jeff has working the SLC area for 30 years and has contacted A & P (IA) Jim Dickson who can do the work. Jim will get the ferry permit, and if necessary fly your Cherokee to the facility where there's a heated hangar and the needed tools.
Please keep in touch and send me updates on how this is all going.
Thanks for your research Jeff! I'll follow-up with Wentworth as well.
Thanks Steve! I'll look into these options straight away.
Was concerned. Was on the list but certainly not the top. Thanks
For my money, no friggin way I’d by a PA32 with 14k hours on it. No way. I’d sit on my hands and wait for another one to pop up. That’s a lots of hours on any GA plane regardless of make and model.
Looking at Lance and Saratoga models to purchase. Found a very clean and nice 1977 with 14,000 hours. Engine has <1000 SMOH. Is the high airframe time concerning for everyone? Probably a few years in this plane before having to move to something with higher useful load like the Navajo. Thank you in advance.
Legally, fit, and function?
Alternatively…. Any suggestions for right seat repair/replacement (typical right seat bend back due to entry/exit over long term)
Those two wires are part of the bundle that terminates in the location of the voltage regulators, down by the pilots left rudder pedal.
I just combed the usual salvage suspects for your part and came up short. I was unable to do a search on the Wentworth, so send them an RFQ. Otherwise, it appears your options are restricted.
The first thing I'd advise is to contact Airframe Components in Kendallville, Indiana. www.airframecomponents.com/ .
All they do is rebuild and repair airframe components like ailerons.
They may even have on that's ready to go.
That's the first piece of advice.
If you go salvage yard, we like Wentworth aircraft ( www.wentworthaircraft.com/ ) and Preferred Air Parts ( www.preferredairparts.com/ ) because they advertise with us.
You can find other salvage yards by typing airplane salvage yards in the search window of your favorite search engine.
Let me know how it goes.
I've located a facility that tells me it's able to help you with your airplane.
I have sent the manager photos and he told me just a few minutes ago that he will have a quote for us early next week.
I'll post it here as soon as I get it.