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Tomasz Napierala replied to the topic 'Cherokee Wing Spar Proposed AD: The other shoe drops' in the forum. yesterday

Just a smal feedback from the field. My shop charges me 4,5 hour for the bolt removal and installation. The NDT guyes charges me additional 900$ for the eddy current test including treveling of 2x300 miles to and from the airport of my shop.

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Jen D replied to the topic 'Cherokee Wing Spar Proposed AD: The other shoe drops' in the forum. yesterday

The NTSB's comment on the proposed AD attached.
A couple of sections are of particular note:
NTSB: "While the affected airplanes all have a similar main spar design in the wing attach-point area where the fatigue cracking was found, engineering data presented by Piper separately to the FAA and the NTSB showed that the localized stress level can vary significantly depending on airplane gross weight, cruising speed, and amount and location of fuel in the wings. The data also showed that the airplanes at greatest risk for fatigue cracking are the PA-28-235 model airplanes, all PA-28R series airplanes, and the PA-32-260 and PA-32-300 model airplanes. The NTSB supports the inspection requirements of the proposed AD for these airplanes."

NTSB: "In summary, the NTSB supports the AD inspection of the wing main spar lower cap outboard bolt holes for the PA-28-235 (versus all PA-28 series airplanes), PA-28R series airplanes, and PA-32-260 and PA-32-300 model airplanes that are or have been used in flight training, commercial, or other high-time or high-cycle operations. However, we believe the formula for determining factored service hours should be revised to account for either 100-hour inspections or annual inspections that are conducted at 100-hour intervals. "

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Eric S replied to the topic 'Finally a Piper Owner (PA-28-235)' in the forum. 3 days ago

Thanks Guys, really enjoying it so far and starting my IFR training in it. Just wish the weather was better last weekend.

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Kent Dellenbusch replied to the topic 'Finally a Piper Owner (PA-28-235)' in the forum. 3 days ago

Nice looking Cherokee. Congrats and have fun. We're here for technical support and parts locating to name a couple of things. :)

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William McKelvey has liked a Video 3 days ago

PFA Member Tom Grove & his Cherokee 235

We take a look at Piper Flyer member Tom's 1964 Piper Cherokee 235. The aircraft has been updated and won an award at Oshkosh.

STEVE ELLS replied to the topic 'Finally a Piper Owner (PA-28-235)' in the forum. 3 days ago

Looks like a good one. You might want to look into installing leather covers over your control wheels. Check out one company at www.controlyokecovers.com . Or refinishing them.

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STEVE ELLS replied to the topic 'New Member as of yesterday' in the forum. 3 days ago

Many PA 28 owners, upon finding out that it is not a particularly expensive inspection, decide to pay for the wing spar bolt hole eddy current inspection even if their airplane is not subject to the AD per the FAA's "factored service hours" formula. They seem to think of it as cheap insurance. The problem now seems to be finding a company that has the equipment to do the inspections.

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STEVE ELLS replied to the topic 'Stall Warning will not work in flight.' in the forum. 3 days ago

I suggest you remove the plate that the lift detector is screwed onto, and see if you can loosen the screws holding the detector in position. Once the screws are loosened, I believe you'll be able to move the detector in the plate. Re-position the detector and fly. If this is mounted in the way I think it is, you'll be able to re position the detector so it the "impending stall" light will come on a few knots before the actual stall.
Let me know what you find.

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Steven Andrews replied to the topic 'PA28-180C purchase' in the forum. 3 days ago

I emailed the story to Jennifer a few days ago. Thanks!

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Wow, that's a good looking and very well equipped airplane.
Please write up your experiences during your training. I'm pretty sure we can fit a "learning to fly" article into the magazine.

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Douglas replied to the topic 'Cherokee Wing Spar Proposed AD: The other shoe drops' in the forum. 3 days ago

Much thx, Jen !

AOPA provided a response to the NPRM on 2/4/19. This is a link to their response: download.aopa.org/advocacy/2019/190205_AD_comments.pdf . Their response says the 45 day comment period is not adequate, the NPRM is based on one fatal accident which the NTSB has not yet completed its investigation/report, and that the NPRM is based on one single report of a fatigue crack and the incomplete NTSB investigation. Worth reading, but not sure how, or if, the FAA will respond, or adjust the NPRM.

I fly a Saratoga PA-32-301T, which does not yet appear to be involved/listed, but I am keeping a close eye on the progress of this NPRM.

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Anthony Armbrister created a new topic ' Navajo 325 CR' in the forum. 3 days ago

I’m in the process of purchasing a 78 Navajo 325 CR, I’m looking for information on maintenance problems and operations lean of peak, operating costs. Any information will be welcome. Thanks Tony (New Member)

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Anthony Armbrister created a new topic ' New Member' in the forum. 4 days ago

My name Tony Armbrister, I'm in the process of buying a Navajo. This is the first time I've written on this Forum and I'm looking forward to continuing to participate. Thanks for having me aboard.

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Lydell L. Newby II has a new profile cover. 1 week ago
Lydell L. Newby II has a new profile cover. 1 week ago
Nik Cielo shared a video in group. 1 week ago

PFA Member Tom Grove & his Cherokee 235

We take a look at Piper Flyer member Tom's 1964 Piper Cherokee 235. The aircraft has been updated and won an award at Oshkosh.


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    Mitchell Tach P/N D1-112-5025.Shows shows 870 hrs works fine
    Mitchell vacuum AI Model 5000E-8 works fine
    Apollo SL70 Mode C transponder. Works fine. Clear face is a little foggy but very usable.
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N743DS, Piper Archer II, home-based at KFFC. I hope to see some of you around!






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Jen D replied to the topic 'Cherokee Wing Spar Proposed AD: The other shoe drops' in the forum. 2 weeks ago

Hi Mark,
The staff at PFA is actively seeking information on facilities that can perform the testing and will be sharing that information.

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